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Do you have a link to the Independent story?

Has Pards not publicly repeated that he only goes for 10m and that he would have all proceeds to re-build the team?

Like you, I have no faith whatsoever in Sauron's integrity (spit) BUT I cannot imagine him spending the money to get Pards in, and then not backing him at the first major hurdle. :shock:
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Amsterhammer wrote:
Like you, I have no faith whatsoever in Sauron's integrity (spit) BUT I cannot imagine him spending the money to get Pards in, and then not backing him at the first major hurdle. :shock:
Same here. He wouldn't have any excuse NOT to allow it all to be used IMO, not this time round.
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Northern Paulo wrote: Same here. He wouldn't have any excuse NOT to allow it all to be used IMO, not this time round.
You underestimate the man. Do not judge him by your own standards. This man is a conniving charlatan who cares little for the opinions of others. He has skin thicker than a rhino's and in my view has already decided that West Ham will fail to get promoted. In that context he will refuse to make much money available at all.
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East Stand Martin wrote:He has already decided that West Ham will fail to get promoted
So he has got one thing right this season :roll:
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East Stand Martin wrote: If this is the case, then I have real doubts that Brown will release much of the proceeds to go and buy.

My prediction will then come true:

Defoe gets sold
No massive money made available
No quality signings
We fail to go up

Oh happy days
My understanding - which may come from the same 'whistling' source as yours, ESM - is that the banks will not allow transfer proceeds to be reinvested in players, but will insist on taking any cash that comes in as payment for debts ... which are verging on the Leeds-ish, in the way that capital sales just go to pay of the 'vig', without reducing the actual sums to be paid.

The James sale was actually handier for Pards, in that it released wage-budget money for use to tempt loans, free signings, etc. Defoe, who is paid far less than Jamo was, is less hendy in that regard.

I used to think we could sell Defoe, collect the money and use it to rebuild. I now fer that was just wishful thinking. ESM, youhave crystals balls. Happy days, indeed, sir!

PS: It is entirely possible that Brown has not informed Pards of the full horrors of his financial position.
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Countryboy wrote: My understanding - which may come from the same 'whistling' source as yours, ESM - is that the banks will not allow transfer proceeds to be reinvested in players, but will insist on taking any cash that comes in as payment for debts ... which are verging on the Leeds-ish, in the way that capital sales just go to pay of the 'vig', without reducing the actual sums to be paid.

The James sale was actually handier for Pards, in that it released wage-budget money for use to tempt loans, free signings, etc. Defoe, who is paid far less than Jamo was, is less hendy in that regard.

I used to think we could sell Defoe, collect the money and use it to rebuild. I now fer that was just wishful thinking. ESM, youhave crystals balls. Happy days, indeed, sir!

PS: It is entirely possible that Brown has not informed Pards of the full horrors of his financial position.
Apart from footballing reasons to keep a quality striker I have never believed that a Defoe sale will ever release much money for new signings.

My calculation is this: the minute Old Man Brown sells Defoe is the minute that he has decided that there is little or no prospect of promotion. Once he has decided that then he knows that the club is going to be looking down a financial chasm. He is hardly going to give Pardew money to spend, he'll need all the cash he can get to keep the creditors happy.

In the aftermath of relegation I said that unless we were in an automatic promotion position come the January transfer window, then we faced meltdown. At that time I made a case to hang onto certain key players to ensure that we had a fighting chance. Unfortunately we do not have a Chairman who was in a position to keep those players and we lost Johnson, Cole and Di Canio. I also wanted a fresh start with a new manager at the start of the season, yet we failed to tackle that one as well.

I hate to say it, but the writing has been on the wall for some time, and although I had hoped that AP could work some magic, the fact is that we have a completely unbalanced team low on confidence. They have been expecting an exodus and now we are faced with more new signings that may take some time to adjust.

The future is not bright my friends, but there is one thing I will agree on with Brown. If Defoe goes then we can forget about promotion. The difference between me and him is I haven't given up on the playoffs.

I've just seen this in tomorrow's Independent, attributed to Pardew:

"What disgruntled Hammers supporters must understand is that there is a balance to be struck to create a chance of promotion without jeopardising the club's financial future if it fails."

Exactly the point I have been making all along. The problem is that I thought Alan was on my side on this, I am now beginning to doubt this or it's an elaborate show for Brown.
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Still no sign of departure and moves elsewhere in the market suggest that he might not actually be a target of a club that he would want to move to. This is probably unrealistic optimism...
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It don't look like it is gonna happen.
Manure have got Saha. (Good morning radio Norwich)
Arse looks like they are getting that clog Percy.
And if Chelsea get anymore players they will have to build a new stadium for them alone.
So unless he is offloaded to Fulham, which is highly unlikely. we have still got him at least till the end of the season.
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Lost Hammer wrote:It don't look like it is gonna happen.
Manure have got Saha. (Good morning radio Norwich)
Arse looks like they are getting that clog Percy.
And if Chelsea get anymore players they will have to build a new stadium for them alone.
So unless he is offloaded to Fulham, which is highly unlikely. we have still got him at least till the end of the season.
Marvellous...but I'll await 00.01 on 1.2.04 before popping a cork
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East Stand Martin wrote: Marvellous...but I'll await 00.01 on 1.2.04 before popping a cork
You're right to be cautious, I think Wenger is a little more interested then he let's on - it would'nt surprise me if an initial offer has already been turned down.
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Well he's still here you know.

I bet you selling bastards are now getting really worried.

I happen to think that with the new additions plus Defoe, things could be very good for us towards the end of this so far, disappointing season.
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East Stand Martin wrote:Well he's still here you know.

I bet you selling bastards are now getting really worried.

I happen to think that with the new additions plus Defoe, things could be very good for us towards the end of this so far, disappointing season.
It will be interesting to see whether he gets his place back now though :wink:

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Northern Paulo wrote: It will be interesting to see whether he gets his place back now though :wink:

:lol:
You are having a laugh.
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East Stand Martin wrote: You are having a laugh.
Not at all. We introduce new signings and immediately score 3 goals away at one of our biggest promotion rivals. We still have Reo-Coker and Nowland to introduce (both attacking midfielders who like to get forward)....

Pardew could have a lovely selection problem :D
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i've resigned myself to the fact we're going to keep the petulant little, well you know the rest

one of the plus points for reo coker joining was his friendship with Defoe from englad squads and him talking about setting up jermaine in the future seems to suggest he is staying,

as long as he improves his work rate, awareness of people in better positions than himself and the importance of the team and not him having the better of the player who just lamped him or held him back or the referee for missing it, then we might benefit from him playing , but we won't benefit from him playing with the attitude he has done so far this season, neither on the pitch or in the transfer market in the summer, which is crucial to us keeping him, if we don't offload him then wew lose everything , a big risk i thought the club wouldn't take
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sicknote wrote:i've resigned myself to the fact we're going to keep the petulant little, well you know the rest

one of the plus points for reo coker joining was his friendship with Defoe from englad squads and him talking about setting up jermaine in the future seems to suggest he is staying,

as long as he improves his work rate, awareness of people in better positions than himself and the importance of the team and not him having the better of the player who just lamped him or held him back or the referee for missing it, then we might benefit from him playing , but we won't benefit from him playing with the attitude he has done so far this season, neither on the pitch or in the transfer market in the summer, which is crucial to us keeping him, if we don't offload him then wew lose everything , a big risk i thought the club wouldn't take
Is he coming around to mine and ESM thinking or is that just me? :wink: :lol:
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Harveys_HammersLH wrote: Is he coming around to mine and ESM thinking or is that just me? :wink: :lol:
No I think your right there LH
Looks like our 'keep him' team are gonna get our own way after all :D
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Sorry above was me, having PC problems this morning
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Those lillyshite bagel-munching c**ts coming in for Defoe with £6 million. Surely this so-called offer will be rejected? Those w**kers have got to take the prize for speculative offers that often come to naught. Hoddle was famed for it and now the pervy kerb crawler is playing the game.

Defoe would need his head examined if he takes that offer. This joke of a club will set back his career - they haven't even got a manager for f**k's sake. He can forget any chance of European football and it will hardly elevate his chances of playing for England. They've got a lot of strikers as well - surely this must mean that Freddi is on his way or maybe Keane will go?

This is all to do with that dodgy share offer - £15 million available.

The club would also be mad to sell for £6 million, although no doubt Brown is hoping for a bidding war.

I say tell 'em to go stick that derisory offer where the sun don't shine.
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