Jan Transfer Window 18/19

[LeonRivers]

Regarding the alleged 20% sell-on clause, does this only include transfer fee or overall value of the deal? I ask because if we were to do a player+cash deal, would the 20% fee come from only the cash aspect of the deal, or would it come from the cash + transfer market value of the player involved. If only cash, it could be a clever way to reduce the amount paid to Stoke.

As I understand it, these clauses are based on the profit on the deal. Stoke would be due 20% of any profit.
With regards a player-plus-cash transfer, both clubs are required to declare a value on the player that is part-exchanged for accounting purposes. For example; if Chelsea sign him for £15m plus Batshuayi we would declare that Batshuayi was valued as £30m in the deal.
The overall value of the sale is therefore £45m and Stoke get their slice of c.25m.

I assume there are anti-fraud regulations preventing us from agreeing on a £500k valuation of Michy.

[Cuenca 'ammer]

Ozza


I don't think we are all for binning Antonio.

merely that right now he seems to be the only salable asset that we might have.

Perez ? unlikely, a loan more probable
Carroll ? a non starter, more likely to be condemned to the knacker's yard
Hernandez ? still not fit and we would have to subsidize his wages on a loan
Arnie ? well he might or might not be out of the door

and * & * keep telling us we ain't got the proverbial pot to pee in and oh by the way we're maxed out with FFP

so reading between the lines, we have to flog someone who could command a decent bit of wedge to bring in a DM and/or CB loan

that's my reading of the situation any road.

[Gsbgsb]

We have not sold a player for a decent sum save for Payet agreed but equally if the internet is to be believed over recent years we have had decent offers for the likes of Cresswell, Reid and Kouyate for example and the general reaction on here has been “you do not sell your best players”, players who most subsequently, for various reasons, would happily bin. The ongoing questioning of selling Tomkins is another example.

For me the root cause is a total lack of faith in the board/management to get in decent replacements with any money made.

With the exception of Rice and Diop (both of whom, whilst not the finished article, have amazing potential) none of our players are really the very top draw. Anderson and Arnie are close accepted.

We should not be scared of trading first teamers at the right price/time if the correct infrastructure is in place to develop the team as it happens. We should not look to be a Southampton, who seem to be in business to develop then sell players, which is the other extreme, but develop an approach more akin to the likes of Spurs where selling good players (possibly some of their best at the time with Carrick, Berbatov, Modric, Bale even Walker all being examples) was the basis for proper reinvestment creating a strong team for the future not just further players to be sold.

[vietnammer]

We have not sold a player for a decent sum save for Payet agreed but equally if the internet is to be believed over recent years we have had decent offers for the likes of Cresswell, Reid and Kouyate for example and the general reaction on here has been “you do not sell your best players”, players who most subsequently, for various reasons, would happily bin.

Sorry to pull out a small part of your post and not the main point, but while I don't recall to much about Kouyate's time at West Ham, didn't he go on to be the leading scorer in La Liga (for one season) after he left us? Just can't (shootee!) remember the circumstances of his sale.

[Jumby]

Kanoute, yes, with Seville.

[Gsbgsb]

Rumour on the internet was that we received a fairly significant bid for Kouyate after his first season, I think from Spurs, that we rejected. Of course usual caveat that not everything on the internet is true.

[Cuenca 'ammer]

We have not sold a player for a decent sum save for Payet agreed but equally if the internet is to be believed over recent years we have had decent offers for the likes of Cresswell, Reid and Kouyate for example and the general reaction on here has been “you do not sell your best players”, players who most subsequently, for various reasons, would happily bin.

Sorry to pull out a small part of your post and not the main point, but while I don't recall to much about Kouyate's time at West Ham, didn't he go on to be the leading scorer in La Liga (for one season) after he left us? Just can't (shootee!) remember the circumstances of his sale.

Kanoute, Kouyate....

you're like Napolean - you don't know Madras from your Elba

[Colours never run]

**** me what are we like on here, we spend numerous seasons with **** all up front, now have 4 proper strikers, so have decent back up, and you lot want to flog them all?

Madness!

Also some of you seem to forget how difficult it is to

A - find and afford goalscorers

B - Get forwards with no Premier experience up to speed....

I'd say a max of one out over the window is the right option.... get to the summer and review

Bang on the money. We've never had it so good up front, I'd hate for us to willingly asset strip ourselves unecessarily. If we must lose 1, ideally we get another one in or at the very worst only lose 1 if the manager thinks we are top heavy anyway. In this League it's imperative a Club has a squad full of Strikers during the season and we are currently in a very healthy position on that front with the kinda headaches a manager actually likes having.

[S-H]

MORE, we always need more!

[johnnyb]

But have we really never had it so good up front? Perez a waste of space, Arnie on the way out, Hernandez disappearing again and Carroll one tackle or landing badly from being absent for another few months. Still pretty brittle imho.

[Puff Daddy]

Today's 'Mail' reports Pellers is an admirer of Jonjo Shelvey and would like him at the club, but the report rolls out that tired old one liner, ' We have to sell before we can buy' and Newcastle boss Rafa Benitez doesn't want to sell him, so read from that what you will, but my take on it is. I don't think any deal for him is gonna happen anytime soon

[Colours never run]

Currently? No doubt about it. You can chuck in Antonio too and I hadn't mentioned other Forwards like Anderson, Yarmolenko either.

[vietnammer]

Kanoute, Kouyate....

you're like Napolean - you don't know Madras from your Elba

Oh **** doughnut of the century. Wondered what was happening when someone mentioned an offer from Spurs.

[Patito]

But have we really never had it so good up front? Perez a waste of space, Arnie on the way out, Hernandez disappearing again and Carroll one tackle or landing badly from being absent for another few months. Still pretty brittle imho.

And yet, despite being so **** apparently, they’ve all scored.

[djoe]

can someone make a little movie with some nice moves off Masuaku and send it to that Chinese club ? 25 Million and they can have him. So we can sign a real left back

[Ozza]

But have we really never had it so good up front? Perez a waste of space, Arnie on the way out, Hernandez disappearing again and Carroll one tackle or landing badly from being absent for another few months. Still pretty brittle imho.

I suppose the question really should be to you, tell us when we've had such a good forward line with depth?

Off the top of my head, Di C, Defoe and Kanoute? When we had Bellers and Ashton, I'm not sure they played that much together due to injuries.

I'd say this is the best group of forwards we've possibly ever had, Perez is no mug despite what people think on here.

Makes me sigh, seeing people wanting to get rid of our forwards, especially after season after season we've had of Carroll and sulky Sakho being injured and then whoever we can cobble up front.

Crackers (imho)

[vietnammer]

can someone make a little movie with some nice moves off Masuaku and send it to that Chinese club ? 25 Million and they can have him. So we can sign a real left back

:lol:

[hammerman11]

we are not well off up front.

perez, carroll would not feature in another premier team`s first team. one is useless the other always injured(due soon)

that leaves Hernandez who is also rarely available. he is 30 on mega wages


that leaves us Arnie who is great but we need another decent striker. I would happily get rid of the first three and bring in batshuayi.

arnie bats and silva would be far better that what we have.

[prophet:marginal]

I fail to see why you think a Chelsea misfit will suddenly turn in some consistent form, if we obtained his services.

[Swiss Pauli]

we are not well off up front.

perez, carroll would not feature in another premier team`s first team. one is useless the other always injured(due soon)

that leaves Hernandez who is also rarely available. he is 30 on mega wages


that leaves us Arnie who is great but we need another decent striker. I would happily get rid of the first three and bring in batshuayi.

arnie bats and silva would be far better that what we have.

Why would Batshauyi come to us to be a reserve? He keeps going out on loan to get first team football.