MSI/Joorabchian takeover bid

[Up the Junction]

Supporting West Ham is not all about winning trophies ( as much as it would be nice to win one now and again.) It's about the club, the football, the history, Bobby Moore, Geoff hurst. It's in the blood.

And why exactly are Moore and Hurst held in such high esteem?

Cos they won trophies, perhaps?

[rare as rockinghorse shat]

imo utj... i'm for and against it for pretty much the reasons that have been stated.

But i do feel we will not know what the new owners are like until they are in full control.
By then it we will have no choice but to go with how they run the club.

But i desperately would love to see this takeover happen providing the guy isn't a complete crook!

[Up the Junction]

Better players do not necessarily bring you success though. Most would agree that Chelsea and AC Milan overall have better players than Liverpool, but who walked off with the Champions League trophy last season? It would be fair to say that we had better players than a lot of teams in our relegation season but we still got relegated.

Well I guess at a push I'd take the Champions League semi-finals ...

[Up the Junction]

But i do feel we will not know what the new owners are like until they are in full control.
By then it we will have no choice but to go with how they run the club.

This be the problem mate.

But I tend to agree with your location tag!

[Welsh Hammer]

I'd welcome both, they seem just as good and bad as each other. Why not? One makes his money off the back off the porno industry and another funded by a Russian asylum seeker. Either way, both have bought their respective clubs success and are proven to run a club responsibly. And either would prove the end of Brown's tenure here, which is the most important fact of all this, the man who he admittedly has said in no uncertain terms that we ALMOST went to the wall anyway by doing it the 'proper, idealistic way' (Admin, narrowly avoiding a financial disaster)

At least the porn industry is honest about what it is And Kia has said the Russian asylum seeker is not involved in this bid, so either he's lying, or we have an unknown quantity here who have absolutely no experience in running a club.

So I say it again......

IF MSI TAKE US OVER, WHAT'S THE WORST THAT COULD HAPPEN THAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN CLOSE TO BEFORE IF IT DID GO PEAR-SHAPED?

We could actually go all the way there. Lose the ground. Lose the Academy. Lose the club full stop. Wrexham thought they had a saviour until the guy served them an eviction notice from the ground. It may be cliche'd, but the grass isn't necessarily greener on the other side......

[Harveys_HammersLH]

Same here.

I don't think the takeover will happen - I smell bull**** from the bloke.

[rare as rockinghorse shat]

This be the problem mate.

But I tend to agree with your location tag!

Sadly so do i!!

I would love to see us linked with the 6m and 8m players here and there; like now is great being linked with Ashton, Baros etc.

But i don't want an influx of big names coming in and destroying the soul of the club.
I've grown up loving this club for that reason and would be a sad day if we just turned into a sad, lifeless company like chelsea are.

[Trap1]

Same here.

I don't think the takeover will happen - I smell bullsh*t from the bloke.

Why does he need to bull****?

I'm sure he has better things to do.

[Doubting Tomas]

No it wouldn't........we might actually achieve something.
Aren'e most players just mercenaries now, just out to benefit themselves. We'd just have the better ones.
It would be great if we could have a squad of lads all from east London and Essex and then win the league but it's never going to happen, and it wont ever happen the way we are going either.
This may be our only chance to change forever, from an under achieving yo- yo club into one that can challenge for serious honours.

We must take it.

Glory Hunter !!!!!!!!


you must be a spuds supporter in disguise. Supporting West Ham is not all about winning trophies ( as much as it would be nice to win one now and again.) It's about the club, the football, the history, Bobby Moore, Geoff hurst. It's in the blood.

Don't be too quick to sell your soul for thirty pieces of silver.

The board we have , have admitted their mistakes taken drastic action and ensured the long term viability of the club. It has been a bitter pill to swallow but it had to be done, We all make mistakes, let's make sure we don't make another one. The MSI deal stinks but let's leave it to the board to make the right decision by the club.[/quote]

:shock:
Well I guess I must be after standing/sitting watching them for 35 years and only seeing us win two FA cups.

If I'm not due a bit of glory then who the **** is ?

It's very big of the board to admit they've made horrendous mistakes, but what about robbing us blind and not investing any of their dough in the club ?

I wouldn't trust them to wipe their arses properly, let alone take this club forward.


ps I made a boll*cks of the quoting :lol:

[Welsh Hammer]

Well I guess at a push I'd take the Champions League semi-finals ...

.......but I'm sure you'd rather not have taken the relegation.

It's the team that's important, not the quality of the individual players. You can have a team of world beaters who play like **** together (ie, see England team, ok, not world beaters but you get my point...... ). You can equally have a team of average players who are so hungry for success that they beat all the odds.

I know it's an uneven playing field and I'm not saying a takeover is not the best thing for the club in the long run. But we don't know enough about this particular person to know if he's the right man to take us forward.

[Stevo]

Better players do not necessarily bring you success though. Most would agree that Chelsea and AC Milan overall have better players than Liverpool, but who walked off with the Champions League trophy last season? It would be fair to say that we had better players than a lot of teams in our relegation season but we still got relegated.

No, but it'll bring a better standard of football to Upton Park, which would justify the prices we have to pay now. The success as regards trophies is just a realy nice bonus, but the reason I want them to take over, is so we can have the opportunity to cement our place in the Premiership, become a stronger player in the finance game it's become today and the end of Brown in control of our beloved. Now if we're all to throw accusations around of Kia being a bit hookie (unfounded), err HELLO, we have one of those in charge right now. Pots ans kettles? That last sentence is a general one, Welsh Hammer, not directly at you.

[Harveys_HammersLH]

Why does he need to bullsh*t?

I'm sure he has better things to do.

I read in the paper the other day he only had a second hand car company and a judo company in this name. He claims to have backers from Russia (and other places) but no one has any proof that he has the money.

I was 50/50 to start with this now I'm about 60/40 in favour of this bloke not coming in. I could be wrong but I just get a feeling he's just not right for the club.

[Up the Junction]

But we don't know enough about this particular person to know if he's the right man to take us forward.

Exactly.

Which is why talk about going out of business, being relegated etc etc as a result of new owners is a load of emotive cobblers.

Let's wait and see!

[Stevo]

I read in the paper the other day he only had a second hand car company and a judo company in this name. He claims to have backers from Russia (and other places) but no one has any proof that he has the money.


I suppose that means what happened to the Corinthians is all pure fantasy then. Stick to reading the Beano fella.

I was 50/50 to start with this now I'm about 60/40 in favour of this bloke not coming in. I could be wrong but I just get a feeling he's just not right for the club.

[Trap1]

I read in the paper the other day he only had a second hand car company and a judo company in this name. He claims to have backers from Russia (and other places) but no one has any proof that he has the money.I was 50/50 to start with this now I'm about 60/40 in favour of this bloke not coming in. I could be wrong but I just get a feeling he's just not right for the club.

Corinthians have some proof - there is a few million of it running around on their pitch.

A damn fine second hand car dealer if you ask me.

[rare as rockinghorse shat]

I couldn't give a monkeys where the geezer has got his money from, he could have sold his arse for all i care!!
.... but his exploits in brazil show that he certainly has got it.

Brown is good for us at this time, because although being a nob, he is no mug. And will get this Kia guy to put up or shut up.

Once in charge i just pray he don't eventually drag us in the ****.... which is what everyone is hoping will happen to Chelsea.

[Welsh Hammer]

No, but it'll bring a better standard of football to Upton Park, which would justify the prices we have to pay now. The success as regards trophies is just a realy nice bonus, but the reason I want them to take over, is so we can have the opportunity to cement our place in the Premiership, become a stronger player in the finance game it's become today and the end of Brown in control of our beloved. Now if we're all to throw accusations around of Kia being a bit hookie (unfounded), err HELLO, we have one of those in charge right now. Pots ans kettles? That last sentence is a general one, Welsh Hammer, not directly at you.

I do think describing Kia of being 'a bit hookie' in light of what we've read is a slight understatement OK, maybe not proven yet, but enough for the Brazilian government to be taking an interest in his activities.......

If you read my other posts, I'm not against a takeover. I know Brown has a lot to answer for. I want success too.

One other thing.......if this takeover is going ahead, possibly in January by what we've read, and we're still in a relegation position, do you think that we'd be able to tempt high quality players in January? Coz I still think we'd struggle, even with all that money at our disposal. How will the investors get their profits if we get relegated at the end of the season anyway?

[Welsh Hammer]

Exactly.

Which is why talk about going out of business, being relegated etc etc as a result of new owners is a load of emotive cobblers.

Let's wait and see!

Equally the fevered talk about this takeover bringing us success is not necessarily guaranteed either.

But as I've said before, not our decision so whatever happens, we'll have to deal with it.

[Up the Junction]

Equally the fevered talk about this takeover bringing us success is not necessarily guaranteed either.

Welsh: absolutely.

As Sydney Youngblood so memorably said - all we can do, is sit and wait ...

[hessa]

Read in the Torygraph on Sunday about Corinthians (Brazilian Club) being rather put out about him possibly bidding to take over West Ham for 200 million. How could a small English Club be worth so much more than Brazil's premier club (there words not mine) :lol:

Anyways the managers have come and gone a bit since then (only a few months in) and apparently he is also keen on buying players he wants rather than his manager wants and also is not averse to frequently going into the dressing room before games and at half time and intefering. Doesn't really sound like the sort of bloke we want in charge, does it?