Bus Depot behind East Stand to Close

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Bus Depot behind East Stand to Close

Postby HarrowInnHammer on Mon Jul 11, 2011 12:51 pm

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Wish they'd have another look at rebuilding the East Stand
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Re: Bus Depot behind East Stand to Close

Postby Georgee Paris on Mon Jul 11, 2011 4:36 pm

How could West Ham afford that? We'd need a mega rich owner that loved West Ham United so much they'd give up the potential cash cow at the OS and plough millions and millions into regenerating something that is already maxed out and exhausted.
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Re: Bus Depot behind East Stand to Close

Postby paulhs1 on Mon Jul 11, 2011 5:40 pm

Georgee Paris wrote:How could West Ham afford that? We'd need a mega rich owner that loved West Ham United so much they'd give up the potential cash cow at the OS and plough millions and millions into regenerating something that is already maxed out and exhausted.


Surely youv just described our current owners.
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Re: Bus Depot behind East Stand to Close

Postby Georgee Paris on Mon Jul 11, 2011 5:51 pm

& all West Ham's past owners. Who in their right mind would consider redeveloping the East Stand now? With the OS on offer??
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Re: Bus Depot behind East Stand to Close

Postby eastsider on Mon Jul 11, 2011 5:57 pm

Georgee Paris wrote:& all West Ham's past owners. Who in their right mind would consider redeveloping the East Stand now? With the OS on offer??


Also there is issues with the flats and the road will still exist so I guess the restrictions would still apply...
Anyway if they did build it it would be another extra 20 minutes to get into the station!! :eh:
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Re: Bus Depot behind East Stand to Close

Postby HarrowInnHammer on Mon Jul 11, 2011 6:01 pm

The OS move isn't viable for a football club and it isn't widely popular with our fans.
East Stand had planning permission and would have cost 50m bringing in an extra 12m a year.
Its the sensible option
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Re: Bus Depot behind East Stand to Close

Postby Georgee Paris on Mon Jul 11, 2011 6:18 pm

HarrowInnHammer wrote:The OS move isn't viable for a football club and it isn't widely popular with our fans.
East Stand had planning permission and would have cost 50m bringing in an extra 12m a year.
Its the sensible option


That 50 million would probably be 150million now!

It i what I would have wanted as well but that was in a time long ago now.
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Re: Bus Depot behind East Stand to Close

Postby Pedant on Mon Jul 11, 2011 6:29 pm

The east stand redevelopment would have cost £9m (the West Stand was £35m 'cos of the extras) and total capacity would have been 42,500 - 45k with the corners filled.

And that is the absolute maximum. Not enough for a London team to stay viable absent a dodgy Ruskie. Levy gets this. How come you lot can't?
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Re: Bus Depot behind East Stand to Close

Postby Denbighammer on Mon Jul 11, 2011 6:34 pm

Pedant wrote:The east stand redevelopment would have cost £9m (the West Stand was £35m 'cos of the extras) and total capacity would have been 42,500 - 45k with the corners filled.

And that is the absolute maximum. Not enough for a London team to stay viable absent a dodgy Ruskie. Levy gets this. How come you lot can't?



Do you think we would fill a 42-45,000 seater Upton Park?
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Re: Bus Depot behind East Stand to Close

Postby HarrowInnHammer on Mon Jul 11, 2011 6:38 pm

Applied for in the summer of 2006 so I don't think the cost would have rocketed to 150m you can build a ground for that.
Pedant 45k is enough easily for West Ham and we get to play at a proper football ground, Levy gets that the track won't work.
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Re: Bus Depot behind East Stand to Close

Postby StiffUpper on Mon Jul 11, 2011 7:31 pm

Its probably closing because we're moving.

It's makes the bus depot site a valuable component in the redevelopment of a large area including the ground and I'm guessing maybe some of the hosing nearby.
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Re: Bus Depot behind East Stand to Close

Postby Adie64 on Mon Jul 11, 2011 9:29 pm

StiffUpper wrote:Its probably closing because we're moving.

It's makes the bus depot site a valuable component in the redevelopment of a large area including the ground and I'm guessing maybe some of the hosing nearby.


That's a good point, they might think it's worth more while we are selling the Boleyn Ground.
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Re: Bus Depot behind East Stand to Close

Postby Hammer110 on Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:13 pm

HarrowInnHammer wrote:Applied for in the summer of 2006 so I don't think the cost would have rocketed to 150m you can build a ground for that.
Pedant 45k is enough easily for West Ham and we get to play at a proper football ground, Levy gets that the track won't work.


The 2006 application was for a total capacity of 40,356 and was withdrawn by the club, this may have been linked to demands that we agree to fund transport infrastructure improvements before permission was granted.. Duxbury claimed to have made a further application in 2009 but there is no evidence that this was ever submitted.
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Re: Bus Depot behind East Stand to Close

Postby WHUTerry on Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:24 pm

HarrowInnHammer wrote:The OS move isn't viable for a football club and it isn't widely popular with our fans.
East Stand had planning permission and would have cost 50m bringing in an extra 12m a year.
Its the sensible option


What would be your plan if we were unable to get planning permission?
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Re: Bus Depot behind East Stand to Close

Postby HarrowInnHammer on Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:51 pm

Chances are it would be accepted, 1st thing i'd do was move the touchline closer to the East Stand. In terms of increasing atmosphere their ain't much else you can do without expanding other stands.
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Re: Bus Depot behind East Stand to Close

Postby boleyn4life on Tue Jul 12, 2011 1:54 am

HarrowInnHammer wrote:Pedant 45k is enough easily for West Ham and we get to play at a proper football ground.


If only!!

3 years till the worst day in the history of West Ham. :cry:
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Re: Bus Depot behind East Stand to Close

Postby The Old Mile End on Tue Jul 12, 2011 6:18 am

Pedant wrote:The east stand redevelopment would have cost £9m (the West Stand was £35m 'cos of the extras) and total capacity would have been 42,500 - 45k with the corners filled.

And that is the absolute maximum. Not enough for a London team to stay viable absent a dodgy Ruskie. Levy gets this. How come you lot can't?


45k isn't enough for West Ham to stay viable? It would be the most we have ever had in our history and yet it isn't viable?

Perhaps you are confusing viable with being big and successful. Moving to the OS isn't going to guarantee viability or big and successful - but it might make a difference. However, it aint going to happen overnight.

I'd take a Boleyn packed with 45k for 10 years or so every day of the week. 10 years of that and then we can make another decision to be bigger and more successful. There will be an empty shell of a stadium in Stratford by that time just waiting for another chance.
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Re: Bus Depot behind East Stand to Close

Postby WHUTerry on Tue Jul 12, 2011 1:28 pm

HarrowInnHammer wrote:Chances are it would be accepted, 1st thing i'd do was move the touchline closer to the East Stand. In terms of increasing atmosphere their ain't much else you can do without expanding other stands.


Sorry, got to push you on this. "Chances are" is too risky. We know that parking restrictions have been tightened up around the ground, so it's very conceivable that there would be greater local opposition this time round as a result. This could potentially be even more vociferous due to the lack of a working underground system for many of the games, meaning even more people driving in.

Parking now can be difficult with capacity at 30K-35K. The burden of 45K trying to get into an area where, quite often, there would be no train alternative, would be a central theme in any any objection to future planning permission.

Therefore, I think assuming planning permission would be granted is extremely risky. It could be rejected, so the question still stands.

What would we do if it was rejected?
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Re: Bus Depot behind East Stand to Close

Postby HarrowInnHammer on Tue Jul 12, 2011 1:55 pm

Newham want more people using Public transport to get the games so I think to gain planning permission we'd need to appease the council. The underground situation needs reviewing the ticket hall at Upton Park is far to cramped for the amount of people using it and causes queues, more trains would help solve this as well. I imagine we'd need to contribute money towards his but not massive amounts.
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Re: Bus Depot behind East Stand to Close

Postby Essex 'Ammer12 on Tue Jul 12, 2011 3:33 pm

Denbighammer wrote:

Do you think we would fill a 42-45,000 seater Upton Park?


Yes :?

Do you think we're Fulham or something?
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