Joey Barton, Newsnight non whu

[Chuck D]

I think that is grossly unfair: How would you feel if a misanthropic Geordie made the same observation about Sir Bobby Moore and some misguided West Ham fans? I'm not saying that you're right or wrong about Shearer. You clearly seem to know more than I do, but I just think that calling a one-club man a coward because he's a one club man is below the belt.

I'm misanthropic? ****ing hell, the things you learn on here.

He isnt a one club man. He played for three clubs in the top division. He elected, three times not to join the one club where he wouldnt have been an automatic choice, but would have had much better chance of winning the biggest trophies available to him, and the best chance to test himself at the highest level.

Instead he chose to join Blackburn, and Newcastle.

How can you compare that to Bobby Moore and Brooking? Were either subject to a british record transfer attempt by the biggest club in the land (and possibly in Europe) on three separate occasions?

As I say. You can learn a lot on this site, f'sure.

[Paddy O'Hammer]

Just for posterity - photos of his Tweets

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/may/14/joey-barton-twitter-alan-shearer

[Paddy O'Hammer]

Just for posterity - photos of his Tweets

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/may/14/joey-barton-twitter-alan-shearer

What was Ravels fine for Tweeting

As said before - this is one horrible little person. He needs to just go away and feck off forever.

[claret parrot]

I just don't think it fair to claim cowardice of a player that for whatever reason doesn't take up the biggest available challenge. There are people who prefer to be a big fish in a small pool and others who stay with a club for reasons of loyalty. Whatever their reasons, the tag of coward is an ugly one and in most cases unjustified.

[Albie Beck]

Back to the incident as I saw it. Tevez started it

...er, wrong. It started when Barton followed through with a tackle down by the corner flag. Unnecessarily rough (by today's standards). That's what Tevez reacted to initially.

[Johnny Byrne's Boots]

Interesting snippet from Barton to Lineker in Paddy's link

When Lineker responded, to ask Barton whether he was "still kicking out" and still "misunderstood", it sparked another explosion from the QPR midfielder.

"Do u wanna go there publicly "Mr Squeaky Clean," tweeted Barton, before threatening to expose "skeletons" in Lineker's "vast closet".

He added: " mind ur manners Squeaky..." Then signed off by saying: "now back under your stone you odious little toad..."

Should be fun to watch. It's an open secret in meeja circles that the press are just biding their time with Martin Clunes' ear double.

[Paulo Wanchope]

I hate Barton for 3 reasons:

- his thuggery
- his deluded vision of his own self-importance
- but most of all for his pretentious name-dropping

complete ****er

[orbital]

Should be fun to watch. It's an open secret in meeja circles that the press are just biding their time with Martin Clunes' ear double.

I've heard loads of stories, really surprised not much has been published so far.

[Frankie the mac]

He isnt a one club man. He played for three clubs in the top division. He elected, three times not to join the one club where he wouldnt have been an automatic choice, but would have had much better chance of winning the biggest trophies available to him, and the best chance to test himself at the highest level.

Instead he chose to join Blackburn, and Newcastle.

He only made 2 choices not to join United, not three.

He first of all went to Blackburn where he won the league, and then went to Newcastle who were the 2nd best club in the country at the time. Just because Newcastle deteriorated over the years that he was there should not be relevant to the choice he made at the time.

And at the time of his move to Newcastle, I am sure that he would have been automatic choice at United.

[HeresJohnny(Moncur)]

The players have the leverage they do because they are the ones with the unique skills that have value, and are no longer subject to an illegal system of restricting movement beyond contractual bounds. It involves so much money because so many people want to watch those players and will pay for it. The fans and executives don't win the matches, the best players do. It would be madness for a company not to reward it's key performers highly.

He doesn't hold all the aces, that fact that as a player he still has great skill and is still in a binding contract with Man City works in the club's favour. He can behave as badly as he wants, the club is far too rich for him to bully them, they will insist on realising his full value when he gets a transfer to another club. If Milan renew their interest then they won't get him cheap - Man City have already laid a large part of the blame at their door and stated that they will meet their price or get nothing. This is the same for any club; if you're taking a risk on temperament then don't sign a player you can't afford to put in his place.

Regarding the benefits to the club, the problem for Man City is that they have assembled their team in quite a compressed time frame and to do so have had to bring in players who are mercenary and are willing to agitate for a move if necessary. I would say it's as much the club's approach that's to blame as the player's. Joorabchian and Tevez have been a known factor for years, if anyone was going to be trouble they had to be favourites but he's a very good player and they took the risk. It wouldn't suprise me if they took a more solid citizen for next season, but they felt they needed him now and rather than costing them the title, etc, the risk they took to bring him in was probably a factor in winning it for them despite the drama.

The situation isn't black and white in my view, City were reported to have held back over £9 million from Tevez over the strike but that doesn't release him from his contract. He is still subject to it and the commitments it entails, and he and Joorabchian are being made to learn that there are some things in football bigger than themselves.

Spot on. I understand wholeheartedly the reasoning behind absurd wage structures and transfer fees, down to the entertainment value and the advertising contracts etc etc - it's standard economics. However, the agents? Psssht.

[Torquemada]

Yes Tevez is a provocative sod that has a tendency to run into people. Whether he was deliberately trying to wind Barton up or not we will never know but Barton was carrying the captaincy and should have shown more restraint.
The actual incident I could forgive him for, even the events as he was being escorted off. What I find hard to take is the sneaky excuse that somebody had told him to do it in order to get a City player sent off. Not only is that a despicable bit of self revelation about his mercenary attitude to the game but it also reflects badly on his team mates and the club itself.

I can imagine what probably happened once the euphoria of staying up subsided.

Hughes (to the team) . OK which one of you told him to try to get a City player sent off?

No reply.

Hughes. So he has dragged the reputation of every player at this club into the mire by stating that any of you would suggest that. What he is saying is that this is a club that cheats. Can you respect him as captain after this?

No reply.

Hughes. I'll have to offer him to Neil Warnock at a knock down price then. He can't stay here after trashing you all.

[ageing hammer]

Back to the incident as I saw it. Tevez started it

...er, wrong. It started when Barton followed through with a tackle down by the corner flag. Unnecessarily rough (by today's standards). That's what Tevez reacted to initially.

Hard to blame Tevez if Barton shat himself is it.

[simonirons]

Tevez aint exactly doing himself any favours. - Thick as pig **** the pair of em...

http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/football/8 ... ergie-sign

[Torquemada]

Tevez aint exactly doing himself any favours. - Thick as pig **** the pair of em...

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Agreed.
Still enjoyed it though and I reckon he'd have the City fans backing. Ferguson doesn't half make a fool of himself sometimes and more or less asked for that from a City supporter. Tevez was used.

[White Goodman]

When Lineker responded, to ask Barton whether he was "still kicking out" and still "misunderstood", it sparked another explosion from the QPR midfielder.

"Do u wanna go there publicly "Mr Squeaky Clean," tweeted Barton, before threatening to expose "skeletons" in Lineker's "vast closet".

He added: " mind ur manners Squeaky..." Then signed off by saying: "now back under your stone you odious little toad..."

Interesting snippet from Barton to Lineker in Paddy's linkShould be fun to watch. It's an open secret in meeja circles that the press are just biding their time with Martin Clunes' ear double.

I remember Romford alluding to all this stuff with Lineker on more than one occasion.

[Chuck D]

GL is another one whose public image is very different to his real charecter.

[derek zoolander]

Is he quite a nice person in reality then, because I think he comes across as a complete jugg eared **** on the televisual device.

[Cuenca 'ammer]

Wow

Gordon Taylor finally speaks out..



Gordon Taylor has strongly condemned Joey Barton, claiming the QPR captain fully deserves a lengthy ban for his antics during and after Sunday's defeat at Manchester City.

http://www.sportinglife.com/football/ne ... er&BID=165

[IronMaiden123]

If you can wind up Barton this easily, people are going to do it every game, little dig here and there as well as a word or two.

Think this happens to Barton every match. Seems able to laugh off most of the provocation and assaults eg away to Wolves.

The red mist trigger is provocation + perceived injustice (in his mind).

Otherwise being on the receiving end of dangerous tackles and referee indifference is all in a days work.
At a rate of one red card every 45 PL games he is well shy of the rate of some other hot heads eg Boa Morte, Hartson, Lomas.

[scousehammerette]

Should be fun to watch. It's an open secret in meeja circles that the press are just biding their time with Martin Clunes' ear double.

I've heard loads of stories, really surprised not much has been published so far.

I too have heard many things about Lineker over the years, and let's say none of them are pleasant.

As for Barton, how many chances does the fool need? It seems to be a cycle... he goes on about how he's sorted himself out, then the red mist descends, he does something stupid and violent, and round we go again. Bored of him, tbh.