Transfer Window: January 2018

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Re: January transfer window

Postby johnnyb on Sat Feb 03, 2018 10:29 am

last.caress wrote:Paul Merson gives West Ham's transfer window a grade of "B-", better than Bournemouth, Burnley, Stoke and Watford (and the same as Crystal Palace):

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/11230603/paul-mersons-transfer-window-grades-high-marks-for-liverpool-chelsea-man-utd


What the **** would Merson be doing in life now if he hadn't struck lucky with Sky? Failed as a manager but an 'expert' pundit., he can't even pronounce foreign players' names. Complete dickhead.
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Re: January transfer window

Postby DasNutNock on Sat Feb 03, 2018 10:31 am

Paul “a very lot” Merson gives hope to the mentally feeble.
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Re: January transfer window

Postby thejackhammer on Sat Feb 03, 2018 10:44 am

last.caress wrote:Paul Merson gives West Ham's transfer window a grade of "B-", better than Bournemouth, Burnley, Stoke and Watford (and the same as Crystal Palace):

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/11230603/paul-mersons-transfer-window-grades-high-marks-for-liverpool-chelsea-man-utd


I wonder if Puff agrees.
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Re: January transfer window

Postby hadleighhammer on Sat Feb 03, 2018 10:59 am

thejackhammer wrote:I wonder if Puff agrees.


:lol:
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Re: January transfer window

Postby Irrons on Sat Feb 03, 2018 11:23 am

Has Toulalan signed yet?
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Re: January transfer window

Postby continental skills on Sat Feb 03, 2018 11:58 am

So what happens in the summer if Mario is as positive an addition to the first 11 as his first appearance indicates he could be - do we really expect them to come up with the 30 million to make him a permanent signing?
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Re: January transfer window

Postby thejackhammer on Sat Feb 03, 2018 12:04 pm

continental skills wrote:So what happens in the summer if Mario is as positive an addition to the first 11 as his first appearance indicates he could be - do we really expect them to come up with the 30 million to make him a permanent signing?


If Inter would allow a dodgy payment structure then yes.

We put £24 million into Arnautovic so £30 million into a player Sullivan can brag about (£45 million player, Euro’s winner etc) is plausible.
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Re: January transfer window

Postby westlondonhammer on Sat Feb 03, 2018 12:13 pm

continental skills wrote:So what happens in the summer if Mario is as positive an addition to the first 11 as his first appearance indicates he could be - do we really expect them to come up with the 30 million to make him a permanent signing?


Why not? We bid 40 odd million for Lacazette a few years back :wink:

In all seriousness, if he works out as we hope I'm sure we'll come to an agreement with Inter

We'll offer his price over 5 years...theyll be happy to be able to say they're recouping most of what they paid, we'll be able to say we've broken our transfer record. Everyone saves face... but we ultimately end up with a top player
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Re: January transfer window

Postby bubbles1966 on Sat Feb 03, 2018 12:29 pm

Aceface wrote:Does appear from what is known that if there was an actual desire to establish ourselves as one of the clubs around the Europa spots – rather than just to talk about it but do the precise opposite in actions – over the course of six months we could comfortably have assembled a central midfield right now of Wilshere, Dendoncker and Carvalho for circa £65m.

Not chump change, but only double what we paid for Fonte, Snodgrass and Hughill – bench players all – and young and talented enough not to have to go to the well every summer to buy the next punt or patch up.

Desperately need to switch to a view of recruitment that involves a longer time horizon than muddling through to the next tv payment in a year's time.


It depends on the true willingness to spend money.

In previous years the money has gone in at a reasonable rate. This year there is no net investment. It's difficult to see why that would change in the absence of some kind of evidence to the contrary.

Taken at face value, Mario and Dendoncker would set the club back £50m in the summer.

The club would definitely need to recruit another goalkeeper as well as Hart is bound to go.

So where will the money come from?

Potential sales can't be many.

Carroll would certainly be a possible with just 12 months left on his contract and Hernandez is still talking about leaving. After that?

Perhaps the sell off of the likes of Burke, Cullen, Martinez, Haksabanovic, Samuelson to raise a few million.

TV money is just stand still money at best.

We need to have sight of the club's accounts to have some idea what's going on.
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Re: January transfer window

Postby MB on Sat Feb 03, 2018 1:00 pm

Hopefully this season is just a reaction to the securitisation coming to an end. That is a massive cash flow hit to take and is something the current lot inherited.

I doubt we’ll see £50m of spend in the summer though. Cannot see us being more than £25m-£30m (net) based on the spending of the more stable clubs this season.

So if they want to completely restructure the money comes from selling Lanzini but that has little impact on the wage bill.

Basically we will still payimg for the mistakes of the past and I cannot see that changing until 2020
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Re: January transfer window

Postby mumbles87 on Sat Feb 03, 2018 1:04 pm

continental skills wrote:So what happens in the summer if Mario is as positive an addition to the first 11 as his first appearance indicates he could be - do we really expect them to come up with the 30 million to make him a permanent signing?


It wouldn’t surprise me if the money is there just because they seem to always say the moneys there as an excuse not to spend on others

Couldn’t get x player in because we have 40 tied up in mario
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Re: January transfer window

Postby continental skills on Sat Feb 03, 2018 2:19 pm

mumbles87 wrote:It wouldn’t surprise me if the money is there just because they seem to always say the moneys there as an excuse not to spend on others

Couldn’t get x player in because we have 40 tied up in mario


I just see no evidence of them having the money or being willing to pay it. First the Zaza loan, where everyone seemed too keen not to trigger the purchase clause, then the ridiculous Carvalho and Dendonker negotiations. The Joao Mario deal looks to me like another stop-gap. The only signings we seem to have made over the past few seasons have been ones where the selling/loaning club are willing to accept payment over a very long term. Even Lanzini was one that took ages to complete - to me it all smacks of them having spent next year's income already and plugging financial gaps when they are able. But maybe Juventus are prepared to accept a payment schedule spread across the next decade...
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Re: January transfer window

Postby bubbles1966 on Sat Feb 03, 2018 2:25 pm

They will try to haggle Mario down to about £20-25m if he maintains Tuesday's standard - always assuming there is a pot of money unlike the disappearing cash this season.
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Re: January transfer window

Postby bristolhammerfc on Sat Feb 03, 2018 2:55 pm

They have made a massive deal about wages and I suspect that is why they have reduced squad size. Its the ongoing cost that's affecting their bottom line.

They went for players on big wages that haven't increased in value or attracted suitors (Ayew the exception) and the success hasn't been relative.

So Hernandez £140k wages
Hart on a rumoured £130K
Aurnautovic on £100K
Carroll on £80K
Reid on £70K
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Re: January transfer window

Postby uptonparkhurst on Sat Feb 03, 2018 3:03 pm

Do clubs get the TV money in one big wedge or is it doled out in dribs and drabs?
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Re: January transfer window

Postby MB on Sat Feb 03, 2018 4:05 pm

uptonparkhurst wrote:Do clubs get the TV money in one big wedge or is it doled out in dribs and drabs?


Something like half upfront and then drips through in a couple of further instalments plus £x per televised game (from memory). Hence why we were securitising it so it was available on day one.
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Re: January transfer window

Postby Georgee Paris on Sat Feb 03, 2018 6:36 pm

I think Brighton 3 West Ham United 1 kind of tells you all you need to know about our January window.
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Re: January transfer window

Postby Peaches on Sat Feb 03, 2018 6:45 pm

I really think we should make a full on push for Toulalan on a short term contract, he may be 34 but he is better than anyone we have in defensive midfield and at least for the moment he is available and at the perfect price for our owners.
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Re: January transfer window

Postby hammer1975 on Sat Feb 03, 2018 10:01 pm

bubbles1966 wrote:They will try to haggle Mario down to about £20-25m if he maintains Tuesday's standard - always assuming there is a pot of money unlike the disappearing cash this season.


Ironmike has heard from his agent that he wants to stay if we secure premiership survival apparently

Sullivan will break out in a cold sweat
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Re: January transfer window

Postby ironilunga on Sun Feb 04, 2018 7:28 am

Georgee Paris wrote:I think Brighton 3 West Ham United 1 kind of tells you all you need to know about our January window.


I think our injuries tell you a whole lot more.
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