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Re: West Ham say pay to have your say in club affairs

Postby Big George on Thu May 16, 2019 12:57 pm

This is Alexandre Dreyfuss, the chairman of Socios, you know the company West Ham have chosen for their Blockchain madness.

https://twitter.com/alex_dreyfus/status ... 71080?s=20" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
99% of sports fans are not in the stadium of their favorite club. Soon they will be one block away.


What he is saying seems pretty clear; if you are in stadium, you don't matter We will prioritise those who pay for access.
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Re: West Ham say pay to have your say in club affairs

Postby Big George on Thu May 16, 2019 1:03 pm

and here is saying that socios token holders should be able to decide the first team kit.

New Juventus Jersey! May be next year it will be decided by
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fans ;)

https://twitter.com/alex_dreyfus/status ... 02370?s=20
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Re: West Ham say pay to have your say in club affairs

Postby Graza on Thu May 16, 2019 1:21 pm

Cuenca 'ammer wrote:BG

was merely pointing out that even if no one spends anything in the ground, it probably isn't going to make a difference as the stuff is contracted out isn't it ?

so the only ones to "get nothing" are the vendors. they probably pass on a minimal amount considering there's 60K people in the ground spending I don't know, average 5 quid a pop (probably more) is only 350, 000 quid less costs. club isn't going to get rich on that.

that's why they contracted it out. get something if there's a profit, lose nothing if no one spends a single sou.

I thought the stadium operators owned.and profited from the catering contracts. If no one buys anything the caterers won't pay as much to be there and it doesn't effect our rent...

But if no one pays a penny for any of this Blockchain garbage they'll start giving out some tasters with season tickets and tickets to try and get you bothered. Still no money = it goes away.
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Re: West Ham say pay to have your say in club affairs

Postby Cuenca 'ammer on Thu May 16, 2019 3:05 pm

I don't know all the ins and outs of the catering deal.

I do know though that people in arenas/stadiums etc. are a captive audience. we used to buy the odd bit but we ate outside and drank outside too. we would still spend something though

I know that loads of people will buy beer (naturally) and/or some grub. so I don't think the caterers will ever sell zero food.

but don't they have to sell over a certain amount or pay a set fee (i.e. bid on being able to be there ?) the club I don't think have to pay anything and therefore if the minimal amount of food/drink is sold to make it at least someplace to be in, The Axis of Evil couldn't really give a rat's arse

that was basically all I was saying.
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Re: West Ham say pay to have your say in club affairs

Postby MafiaLeader on Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:39 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fiwtb8l8RMc

Good video on socios & west ham, from West Ham Fan TV
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Re: West Ham say pay to have your say in club affairs

Postby Phil S on Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:24 am

Time for people to read this thread again and particularly the post by Tross on page 4.
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Re: West Ham say pay to have your say in club affairs

Postby The Old Man of Storr on Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:33 pm

This sounds to me like a re-working of the Microsoft money-grabbing system whereby Xbox gamers have to buy ' tokens ' so that they can gain the advantage over their opponents .

' Can I have another £15 to buy such and such a gun , Dad ? ' .

Our son had spent £70 of his own money buying a tank on some war game without us knowing - we now have to keep a very close eye on such things - Ok , he's not out in the pub every night and he doesn't smoke so why not let him spend his money as he sees fit - it's the principle of the matter , kids are being taken advantage of - it's the same here .

Everyone wants your money .
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Re: West Ham say pay to have your say in club affairs

Postby Phil S on Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:53 pm

^
I think there's going to be a little uprising on this

Supporter groups working together...
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Re: West Ham say pay to have your say in club affairs

Postby psychoscoredthelot on Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:59 pm

count me in - as long as it doesnt end up like the FLA
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Re: West Ham say pay to have your say in club affairs

Postby EastVillageHammer on Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:18 pm

This is an absolute scandal and a reminder of how the dildo brothers see us as customers rather than fans. Combine this move with their unwillingness to engage with a independent supporters group, instead needing to control the agenda, show that this board don't consider themselves guardians of a great institution, but are narcissists who believe they are beyond reproach.

Fortunately I believe that Socios have underestimated just how belligerent our fan base is. I sincerely hope they sink a ton of money into trying to make it work, before failing and going bust.
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Re: West Ham say pay to have your say in club affairs

Postby Up the Junction on Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:46 pm

For the benefit of those who may have missed KUMB's previous output on this:

Investors beware, says 'Ugly Game' author: http://www.kumb.com/story.php?id=133534

Time to engage (Tross): http://www.kumb.com/article.php?id=4344
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Re: West Ham say pay to have your say in club affairs

Postby Graza on Wed Jun 19, 2019 3:51 pm

EastVillageHammer wrote:Fortunately I believe that Socios have underestimated just how belligerent our fan base is. I sincerely hope they sink a ton of money into trying to make it work, before failing and going bust.

I'd go one better and hope that the dildo boys have personally guaranteed a big return for them and when it doesn't happen they get sued, losing their vast stashes of porn money and have to sell the club to keep themselves in tacky bejewelled panthers (their true passion)
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Re: West Ham say pay to have your say in club affairs

Postby Ralph Milne on Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:00 pm

https://whuisa.org/news/2019/6/22/the-f ... -to-socios

Putting this on here. Mods might want to consolidate the threads on the same Socios subject
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Re: West Ham say pay to have your say in club affairs

Postby sanchoz on Fri Jul 19, 2019 3:35 pm

AS Roma have now gotten into bed with Socios. The AS Roma Suporters Trust are not too happy about this development:

With this letter, which wants to be the beginning of a new season of dialogue and confrontation between AS Roma and its fans, whose complaints and advice were - in our opinion - for too long ignored.

As Supporters Trust of AS Roma supporters, we firmly believe that an exchange relationship with supporters (understood as a collective of Roman fans) can be extremely profitable for the club's fortunes.

We now come to read about the new AS Roma partnership with Socios.com, with the aim of offering the Giallorossi fans instruments of involvement in some decision-making processes of the Club.

With regard to this objective, we were the first to believe that the collaboration between management and supporters gives rise to an increase in involvement and the possibility of putting in place projects designed precisely by those who may one day be the user.

Precisely with the same goal that we have carried out in the last nine years numerous projects such as the audiodescription for the blind at the Olympic stadium, the Sportello del Tifoso, which later became the Centro Servizi AS Roma, the ASRoma Card Away: traveling without a fan card, the Bus Stadium for disabled fans, the Hometicketing (with the addition of the Curves) and the one for disabled fans, the appeal won by the Privacy Guarantor for the supporter's card modules and many others on which we will not dwell in order not to lose the centrality of the goal of this letter, but all of them for the sake of AS Roma and its fans.

The news of the new partnership between AS Roma and the Socios.com platform leaves us particularly dumbfounded. Starting from the timing and perhaps the necessary mention that the company should have made at the recent shareholders' meeting, given the relevance of the initiative.

An operation presented in an extremely opaque manner even in the official statement released by the company that we hope can answer the questions of the fans on the new initiative of 'involvement', or to put it to the American 'fanengagement', which already at a first reading of the little information available, it seems more like a monetization of the passion of the fans than the prospect.

We do not believe this is the right tool to mend relationships between clubs and supporters, probably at their historic low in the era of this presidency, nor useful for creating a real involvement of the fans as we have hoped for and promoted in recent years.

The real involvement goes from establishing sincere and constructive relationships with the fan base, listening to them and welcoming their help and support, knowing how to enhance and attract volunteers and ordinary people to give back a soul that is being lost between capital gains, virtual trophies and cups of social network.

The Socios.com theme is not a novelty among the fans: in the UK the partnership between the platform and West Ham was recently announced and this initiative has unleashed across the whole of the fans and numerous press and journalists who have highlighted how smoky it is in substance the dreaded 'participation' through the Fan Tokens (LINK) and how many risks it can involve the hurling of the fans in the still little explored world of cryptocurrencies.

The topic will be a topic that in our dialogue with the political parties, as part of the law proposal on popular participation, we will put on top our attention by asking the policy measures to regulate and make transparent operations like these. And we invite the FIGC to monitor and ask for appropriate checks for protection and supporters.

Socios.com has already come under the attention of both the organization of the English fans and the European supporters' organizations, and all have raised concerns about the vagueness of the initiatives and the lack of true participation.


Rest of their letter can be found at the link below:

https://infoazionariatopopolarecalcio.b ... rw.twitter
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Re: West Ham say pay to have your say in club affairs

Postby Awooga_Iron on Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:53 pm

Big George wrote:This is from the website of Socios...

Socios.com is a turnkey solution for any football club to monetize their fan base via a custom Fan Token Offering (FTO), giving fans access to club branded Fan Tokens that come with voting rights and access to VIP level club rewards and engagement...

Turnkey is a euphemism for saying "you as owners don't have to think". And that just about sums it up; it's a business opportunity that may or may not make any money, Socios are probably on a percentage, so it's a no lose situation.
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Re: West Ham say pay to have your say in club affairs

Postby Big George on Fri Jul 19, 2019 7:11 pm

Awooga_Iron wrote:so it's a no lose situation.


Unless you’re one of the poor mugs who hands over his hard earned cash for this nonsense
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Re: West Ham say pay to have your say in club affairs

Postby Kialos on Sun Jul 21, 2019 12:52 pm

A £500 donation to a kids charity is all it took for the alliance of West Ham fans group to crumble in their protest against this outfit. A donation that was not made personally by the directors so is a tax deductible expense and funded from money taken from fans they have managed to "monetize" was all it took.

We actually have people so bloody naive it's mind boggling. Typical responses have been along the lines of "Oh, but they never publicised it so that's OK. We only knew because XYZ (70,000 twitter account closely associated to the charity) tweeted about it." DOH DOH DOH!

If a business does not want any publicity it donates anonymously, it is as simple as that.

Or "if it's for charity we don't mind where the money comes from" Really?

So few seem wise to the use of 3rd party influencers on social media. No one should be scared to question or criticise an organisation just because they've donated to a kids charity as if it gives any tom dick or harry a free pass.

My opinion is this is a cynical attempt at a charm offensive using carefully selected charities close to West Ham fans hearts and using carefully selected social media accounts to publicise it.
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Re: West Ham say pay to have your say in club affairs

Postby Big George on Sun Jul 21, 2019 2:54 pm

Kialos wrote:A £500 donation to a kids charity is all it took for the alliance of West Ham fans group to crumble in their protest against this outfit. A donation that was not made personally by the directors so is a tax deductible expense and funded from money taken from fans they have managed to "monetize" was all it took.

We actually have people so bloody naive it's mind boggling. Typical responses have been along the lines of "Oh, but they never publicised it so that's OK. We only knew because XYZ (70,000 twitter account closely associated to the charity) tweeted about it." DOH DOH DOH!

If a business does not want any publicity it donates anonymously, it is as simple as that.

Or "if it's for charity we don't mind where the money comes from" Really?

So few seem wise to the use of 3rd party influencers on social media. No one should be scared to question or criticise an organisation just because they've donated to a kids charity as if it gives any tom dick or harry a free pass.

My opinion is this is a cynical attempt at a charm offensive using carefully selected charities close to West Ham fans hearts and using carefully selected social media accounts to publicise it.

Just seen what you mean. I certainly hope that WHUISA Hammers United et al are not having their head turned for a monkey.

I will be very cross is that is the case.
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Re: West Ham say pay to have your say in club affairs

Postby e17 on Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:12 pm

Think she’s talking about Ex & co’s tweets about them donating to kiddies charities, George.
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Re: West Ham say pay to have your say in club affairs

Postby mushy on Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:24 pm

e17 wrote:Think she’s talking about Ex & co’s tweets about them donating to kiddies charities, George.

What are the context of the tweets E17?
Are they supportive of Socios donations which means that Ex is getting flak?
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